The Shouty Woman

January 8, 2007

What was I saying about being nice…?

Filed under: Feminism — by Lucy @ 6:25 pm

This shit is getting out of hand.

I’m not linking to the original post because I think it’s truly vile, but follow the above links and you’ll get there.

Note to the originator of the ‘bee’ analogy and others: you don’t get to decide what feminism is. You don’t get to launch vicious, childish personal attacks on people and then claim it’s not a problem because it’s done in the name of the One True Way. And most of all, you don’t then get to express surprise when people get fed up with your particular brand of feminism.

I’ve got news for you: like many of the others you consider ‘wasps’ or whatever your metaphor is, I am still anti-porn. I think most porn is misogynist and damaging to women’s sexuality. I no longer write about this on my blog because it’s a debate that has been played out endlessly, and everyone already knows everyone else’s views. Contrary to what you believe, only one of the ‘wasps’ even describes herself as ‘pro-porn’. If you bothered to engage with people at all, or made an effort to understand where they’re coming from, you might have realised this earlier.

You can delink people, blacklist people and put people on ‘endangered lists’ to your heart’s content. In doing so you are ignoring powerful feminist voices and dismissing other women’s experience as worthless, but hey, that’s what your philosophy seems to be all about.

It wasn’t the ‘pro-pornies’ who turned me away from radical feminism: I did it all on my own. Can you guess why?



  1. pretty much just made what I hope will be my last big public statement on the matter…which sounds a little like yours really, in a few ways, only well, I got a wee bit snarkier and personal and stuff. Meh.

    Comment by RenegadeEvolution — January 8, 2007 @ 8:07 pm |Reply

  2. “I no longer write about this on my blog because it’s a debate that has been played out endlessly, and everyone already knows everyone else’s views.”

    Me too, it seems pointless to go over and over it, although I’m thinking of linking to a few of my fave posts in my sidebar.

    Agreed on all other points too 🙂

    Comment by laura — January 8, 2007 @ 10:19 pm |Reply

  3. Don’t you know that “being nice” makes you a handmaiden of the patriarchy?

    Comment by Veronica — January 9, 2007 @ 1:32 am |Reply

  4. Lucy – here is a question for you, if you care to answer it:

    did you ever feel pressured to be “less” anti-porn because of something I (or the rest of the undesirables) said or did?

    I mean, you don’t have to answer if it’s too squidgy or personal for you, but it’s just a question I have. because if you did feel pressured, I should probably modify my behavior to make sure that you don’t, and that others don’t.

    Comment by antiprincess — January 9, 2007 @ 8:45 pm |Reply

  5. AP – not too personal at all. Not that I can remember, is my answer. I’m probably less vehement in my anti-porn views than when I first started blogging, but I think that’s a result of finding blogs like yours and thinking a bit more about the issues following my turn-off from radfem. I can honestly say I’ve never felt pressured into changing my opinion – I’m just more aware that there are different points of view out there.

    Hope that makes sense.

    Comment by Lucy — January 9, 2007 @ 11:10 pm |Reply

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